Facts and Figures

[FreshwaterFish]

Someone please provide proof of the 4HWW model. I'm not dumb enough to acknowledge it. The initial money has to come from somewhere. I want someone to proove to me an individual can accomplish the "dream" with little (less than $200USD) to no capital. I'm a skeptic.

[GriffCo]

Here's an example how you could start one for a health supplement:

-Research a niche, develop a list of ingredients that could benefit them.
-find a custom capsule site such as customcapsules.com
-put an add in a magazine about that niche. Negotiate price down and get net-30 this means you dont have to pay for 30 days, plenty of time to get buyers
-Run it yourself for a while, finetune product according to questions/needs
-look into automation

[Sven]

Sceptics are everywhere. 80% will never be convinced.
Trying to convince a sceptic is a waste of time.

[FreshwaterFish]

That is a cop out. It's too easy to fall back on the 80/20 rule. I believe Mr. Ferriss would agree with me on that. The challenge is to prove it to me -- not to be a part of the 80% who never try. I want to see "real" results. I want to see a proven plan that isn't merely eMarketing for other services/products. My viewpoint comes from having limited time and capital to pull this off. So, I want proof -- not just what's in the book.

[Caesar_X]

If you aren't "dumb enough" to acknowledge it, why are you wasting time in this forum? It's a little high-minded of you to troll in here "demanding proof".

What happens if you get this proof? What happens if you do not? And why do we care?

Why not spend a little time reading the forum posts and see what useful information you can add to the mix?

[Sven]

I do not waste time or energy. This is my last responce to you, enjoy your stay on this forum.
Sven

[FreshwaterFish]

Sorry folks, no troll here. I'm basically asking "Where's the proof?" Where's the proof of concept? How repeatable is it? How much initial capital is required? Attempting to shut me down is not an answer. But, thanks for replying.

[camdengirl]

Okay - well I don't have specific proof after only reading the book a couple of weeks ago but as a virtual assistant I use a lot of the time saving techniques Tim talks about every day in my business and wih my clients.

His email management can be implemented at zero cost and in my specific example saved my client literally 4 hours a day of WILFING and reacting to incoming mail. That four hours was reinvested into creating a series of profile raising/money making events which have since grossed £40,000 - in less than 8 weeks. Not bad for just switching your emails off!!

Hope that helps...

[padma]

No one owes you anything...your attitude is an issue and because of that I think you will run into problems succeeding.

Good luck to you...I hope you prove me wrong.

[GriffCo]

I showed you an example where you could LITERALLY start up with $0 in capital. If that, Tim's book, and the other forum posts aren't enough than you are going to have to enjoy your time somewhere else.

[TimW]

I see you are a graduate of the Dale Carnegie courses...doing a fine job, too!

Let's see...I started my business on less that $200.

Website, $6.95 a month.
Netobjects Fusion 6 to create my website, about $75 at the time.
Trade-name registration with the state, $0.
Domain registration, $18
Business/Sales tax license, $17.

I then signed-on with several vendors as a dealer. Some required initial opening orders of a couple hundred bucks, done on a credit card, giving me essentially Net 30 terms. Sold those items, paid CC, used CC to order more items. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I started my online business in 2002. Had a small loss that year, but since then, I've turned a profit every year but 2007.

Of course, this isn't really a "muse", however my business is very merchandise-intensive. An e-book or some other information product would have zero recurring costs for "cost of goods sold", and if you wrote it yourself, the only actual cost is time + any related production expenses.

So, there's an example. It doesn't meet your demand for proof, I know, but that's OK with me.

I am a skeptic by nature, as well. I spent the better part of a decade doing competitive/market research, where I was paid to be skeptical. That said, if you want to know why people are giving you the brush-off, take a look at your first post again:

Your attitude sucks. Even a slight re-wording of your original post would have made it much more likely people would assist. Instead, your "demands" are being met with the same skepticism and derision that you cast upon the concept and, by association, the folks who frequent this site.

Best of luck in obtaining your "proof".

[Vagabond]

Your attitude sucks. Even a slight re-wording of your original post would have made it much more likely people would assist. Instead, your "demands" are being met with the same skepticism and derision that you cast upon the concept and, by association, the folks who frequent this site.

Best of luck in obtaining your "proof".


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[captaink]

OK...

You can get hosting for 120$ for a year (that is at dreamhost.com)
You get one site with it.

That leaves 80$

As .com domain names are at 9.29 (namecheap.com) or cheaper, you can get at least 8 domains, that makes 9 .com domains right there.

Get wordpress, and you have a CMS for 0$

Now you can either just start blogging and put adsense / amazon/ whatever on your site, or build a network of sites to dominate a niche. (And sell a product)

See my post about website galaxies (http://blindapeseo.com/articles/website-galaxy-interview).

Or you can flip the sites, which is the same as in real estate.
Basically, you buy a domain, build a site and sell it on a webmaster related forum.

Here is a guest post I did on domain flipping (http://domainingtips.com/guest-post-step-by-step-with-a-domaining-n00b.html) at another blog to show you how it is done.

I made 50$ on that, so if you make that on all 8 sites (-the dreamhost initial site), you will make 400$.

To recap:

$ 200 initial funds
- $120 hosting one year
- $80 domain names
- $0 Wordpress
+ $400 site sales
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$400

There ya go. ;):D:D;)
You just made 200 bucks profit off 200$ investment.

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[FrozenCanuck]

FreshWaterFish,

I kind of agree with Sven about the "waste of time" comment, but I'm feeling helpful. I also agree with the two others who said you are really REALLY dealing with the wrong attitude. Please ask yourself one important question. How is your skeptical attitude (which limits your ability to just try things) helping you in life? What if you were skeptical you could get a date with the woman of your dreams, or get your dream job, or buy your dream house? That skepticism is hurting you and it is time to fix it.

Here is your proof.

Given:
1) it costs substantially less than $200 to setup an online website with a PayPal (or other) store.

2) It costs you zero money to write an ebook


Therefore:
3) it costs you substantially less than $200 to setup a website selling an ebook that you wrote, targeting a particular niche market.

4) You can spend the remaining money marketing the website through adwords, using $50 coupons to start (zero cost)

5) If you do not succeed with your first niche ebook you can continue to write new ones for new niches for free, and market those until you strike something that is profitable and successful.

I dealt specifically with the ebook market to keep it simple. Your proof has been given. You can only fail if you stop working on new ideas. Therefore, keep at it and you will succeed. That's your mathematical / logical proof.

REALITY proof - I setup an affiliate marketing campaign for a total cost of $30 on my credit card. I had to buy a domain and a year of cheap hosting and I then started promoting an affiliate program with a $50 adwords coupon (for a new account). This business produces about $50 per week of profit. It is almost nothing by my standards, but if I were single and living in a low-cost part of the world I could probably live on it, and use my spare tiem to setup similar campaigns (as TimW said, rinse and repeat). Total investment in this business, BTW, is zero hours per week. I logon to check sales (5 minutes or less) a couple times per week.

How about you come back with good questions, not demands of proof. Besides, we don't even know what proof is to you. How would you know when you had your proof? What would be the evidence?