Comments on: How Much Does Your Commute Really Cost You? Calculate It… Then Kill It? http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/09/11/how-much-does-your-commute-really-cost-you-calculate-it-then-kill-it/ Tim Ferriss's 4-Hour Workweek and Lifestyle Design Blog Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:27:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Christopher http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/09/11/how-much-does-your-commute-really-cost-you-calculate-it-then-kill-it/comment-page-1/#comment-63963 Christopher Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:09:28 +0000 http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/09/11/how-much-does-your-commute-really-cost-you-calculate-it-then-kill-it/#comment-63963 Quick question: I work as an editor at an "up and coming" publishing house. I have really been pushing leadership to allow us to work from home, if even for a few days out of the week. Their biggest argument is that according to some un-cited "tax law," they can't let us work from home due to us not being classified as actual employees or as free-lancers. Now, I'm no expert, but if I am a full-time, salary employee, how can my classification change if I happen to work from home for a few days out of the week? I would be most grateful for any insight or legal advice regarding the "tax laws" they keep bringing up. Quick question: I work as an editor at an “up and coming” publishing house. I have really been pushing leadership to allow us to work from home, if even for a few days out of the week.

Their biggest argument is that according to some un-cited “tax law,” they can’t let us work from home due to us not being classified as actual employees or as free-lancers.

Now, I’m no expert, but if I am a full-time, salary employee, how can my classification change if I happen to work from home for a few days out of the week? I would be most grateful for any insight or legal advice regarding the “tax laws” they keep bringing up.

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By: Yadgyu http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/09/11/how-much-does-your-commute-really-cost-you-calculate-it-then-kill-it/comment-page-1/#comment-63167 Yadgyu Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:55:48 +0000 http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/09/11/how-much-does-your-commute-really-cost-you-calculate-it-then-kill-it/#comment-63167 " After bonuses in March, I plan to propose a contract arrangement at 24-hours per week, virtually eliminating the above soft-dollar costs and significantly reducing certain hard-dollar costs associated with commute and childcare. Just the reduction in hard expenses alone allows me to work 16 fewer hours per week and take back some of my life for myself and my kids" Kath, I don't mean to be a curmudgeon, but working from home is grossly overrated. You are not going to get any more work done from home and your kids will probably irritate you. I just do not see what the real difference in location will do for most. You still have to work for a living. Sitting at home or another remote location is not going to decrease your work load by very much. You will probably be more likely to decrease in your performance due to outside influences. We all need to find ways to NOT work. ” After bonuses in March, I plan to propose a contract arrangement at 24-hours per week, virtually eliminating the above soft-dollar costs and significantly reducing certain hard-dollar costs associated with commute and childcare. Just the reduction in hard expenses alone allows me to work 16 fewer hours per week and take back some of my life for myself and my kids”

Kath, I don’t mean to be a curmudgeon, but working from home is grossly overrated. You are not going to get any more work done from home and your kids will probably irritate you.

I just do not see what the real difference in location will do for most. You still have to work for a living. Sitting at home or another remote location is not going to decrease your work load by very much. You will probably be more likely to decrease in your performance due to outside influences.

We all need to find ways to NOT work.

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By: Kath http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/09/11/how-much-does-your-commute-really-cost-you-calculate-it-then-kill-it/comment-page-1/#comment-60371 Kath Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:07:23 +0000 http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/09/11/how-much-does-your-commute-really-cost-you-calculate-it-then-kill-it/#comment-60371 I am aware that working remotely will save me all kinds of hard carsh--gas, car upkeep, daycare (it's more than my mortgage monthly!), dry cleaning....but I did a little "my time is money" calculation to see how much my almost-six figure corporate job actually costs me in lifestyle potential. Following Tim's formula in the book, I am worth $45/hr. at present, so... I commute 35 minutes each way from my home, and that's not counting taking the kids to daycare first. So let's make it 60 minutes each way (the sitter lives 5 miles north and then I backtrack south again and then another 20 miles to my office). That scales up to 16 days of time in the car annually -- 480 hours at $45/hr = $21,600 in "my time" that I could dedicate to other income-generating activity if I didn't have to commute. I have to be at work at 8:30, but the kids don't start school until 9:30, but to get us all where we're going, we're up at 6:30. If I worked from home, I could put the kids on the bus at 9:00 in front of the house and get working in my bunny slippers (I do have some). That's 2.5 hours each morning = 450 hours per school year = $20,000. So just with those two time factors--commute time and get-up and ready time--my $99,000/year job "costs" me nearly half of that! @yadgyu--Yes, I get that Tim's approach does not really work for folks who must physically be at their jobs to perform it--retail, trades, civil service--and I appreciate all that you do...but as a single mom of four kids with a soul-sucking corporate job, seeing the hidden costs of "workin' for da man" in my own life has been a real eye opener and has prompted me to take action. After bonuses in March, I plan to propose a contract arrangement at 24-hours per week, virtually eliminating the above soft-dollar costs and significantly reducing certain hard-dollar costs associated with commute and childcare. Just the reduction in hard expenses alone allows me to work 16 fewer hours per week and take back some of my life for myself and my kids (and that even includes my buying my own health and life insurance). And my company will benefit from eliminating an FTE and the corresponding benefits and costs. Win-Win!!! I am aware that working remotely will save me all kinds of hard carsh–gas, car upkeep, daycare (it’s more than my mortgage monthly!), dry cleaning….but I did a little “my time is money” calculation to see how much my almost-six figure corporate job actually costs me in lifestyle potential. Following Tim’s formula in the book, I am worth $45/hr. at present, so…

I commute 35 minutes each way from my home, and that’s not counting taking the kids to daycare first. So let’s make it 60 minutes each way (the sitter lives 5 miles north and then I backtrack south again and then another 20 miles to my office). That scales up to 16 days of time in the car annually — 480 hours at $45/hr = $21,600 in “my time” that I could dedicate to other income-generating activity if I didn’t have to commute.

I have to be at work at 8:30, but the kids don’t start school until 9:30, but to get us all where we’re going, we’re up at 6:30. If I worked from home, I could put the kids on the bus at 9:00 in front of the house and get working in my bunny slippers (I do have some). That’s 2.5 hours each morning = 450 hours per school year = $20,000.

So just with those two time factors–commute time and get-up and ready time–my $99,000/year job “costs” me nearly half of that!

@yadgyu–Yes, I get that Tim’s approach does not really work for folks who must physically be at their jobs to perform it–retail, trades, civil service–and I appreciate all that you do…but as a single mom of four kids with a soul-sucking corporate job, seeing the hidden costs of “workin’ for da man” in my own life has been a real eye opener and has prompted me to take action. After bonuses in March, I plan to propose a contract arrangement at 24-hours per week, virtually eliminating the above soft-dollar costs and significantly reducing certain hard-dollar costs associated with commute and childcare. Just the reduction in hard expenses alone allows me to work 16 fewer hours per week and take back some of my life for myself and my kids (and that even includes my buying my own health and life insurance). And my company will benefit from eliminating an FTE and the corresponding benefits and costs. Win-Win!!!

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By: Yadgyu http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/09/11/how-much-does-your-commute-really-cost-you-calculate-it-then-kill-it/comment-page-1/#comment-53263 Yadgyu Sun, 27 Sep 2009 02:14:24 +0000 http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/09/11/how-much-does-your-commute-really-cost-you-calculate-it-then-kill-it/#comment-53263 The non-commute thing only works for office workers. People who work in retail or manufacturing or health care cannot telecommute. I think that those who perform actual labor in this world are grossly underpaid. It sort of upsets me to hear about an office worker complain about a commute when there are people who work with sewage and do dirty jobs that really keep this world going. But when you have a boring office job, complaints come with the territory. Those of us who do real work do not have time to gripe about things. The non-commute thing only works for office workers.

People who work in retail or manufacturing or health care cannot telecommute. I think that those who perform actual labor in this world are grossly underpaid.

It sort of upsets me to hear about an office worker complain about a commute when there are people who work with sewage and do dirty jobs that really keep this world going. But when you have a boring office job, complaints come with the territory. Those of us who do real work do not have time to gripe about things.

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By: AuctionWally http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/09/11/how-much-does-your-commute-really-cost-you-calculate-it-then-kill-it/comment-page-1/#comment-51639 AuctionWally Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:25:02 +0000 http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/09/11/how-much-does-your-commute-really-cost-you-calculate-it-then-kill-it/#comment-51639 Lately I have made a commitment to get better at qualifying my leads. I am auctioneer who goes on a lot of house calls to view estate merchandise. By coming up with a revised list of questions, I've learned to get much better at vetting the potential clients to learn if they have what I'm interested in, and if they are really ready to do business, or if they are just throwing out feelers. A wasted trip saved is a 100% savings of time and fuel. Lately I have made a commitment to get better at qualifying my leads. I am auctioneer who goes on a lot of house calls to view estate merchandise.

By coming up with a revised list of questions, I’ve learned to get much better at vetting the potential clients to learn if they have what I’m interested in, and if they are really ready to do business, or if they are just throwing out feelers.

A wasted trip saved is a 100% savings of time and fuel.

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